EmoTracker - general

that icon means cloud save

That icon actually means download.

it means "download from cloud"

18:58

aka Emo's servers

that's the cloud save icon

it would have an upward arrow if that was the case

Not in this context.

Feel free to continue to argue with me about my icon choices while I'm helping you for free to use my free software that thousands of other people are using. (edited)

18:59

That's the button you want to click. Click it,

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Does anyone know if its possible to increase the scale of the tracker window?

It is, with a layout override. You can apply eg scale: 2 to any layout element, which will scale it and all its children. To scale the whole ui, do it at the root elements for the layouts in use. (edited)

Thanks!

21:41

I'll try it out.

The answers to this type of thing are usually gotten in #customization-support, just FYI.

21:41

The pinned messages there contain json schemas which can help with what’s available.

still doesn't work...

thanks EmoSaru, I'll look at it tomorrow

it does nothing

gonna need to be more specific

i finished the first dungeon and got a bottle but nothing updated

did you enable auto-tracking?

its suppose to do everything for me

...

21:59

It isn't magic, you have to configure it first.

21:59

Use a compatible emulator

21:59

etc

there's DOCUMENTATION pinned in the #autotracker-support channel for you

there is not documentation

22:00

its currently blank

what?

22:01

there are literally 10+ posts pinned in that channel with very useful information

i looked at the site and it just says coming soon

see how my post has blue letters

22:01

click the blue letters

22:01

and tell me what you find

just people talking

oh wow, you actually made it that far

22:03

uhm, see the pin at the top right of the discord window in that channel, click that

22:03

22:03

looks like that

22:04

should bring up some messages, including one with auto-tracker setup

says to use snes9x which i already do

You need a specific build of it.

you need a version with lua support

The documentation says that.

it should be linked there

i have the latest version

The latest version is not what you need.

22:16

You need a specific build that has features not in the commonly used versions.

Guide to Autotracker Setup (Snes9x-rr) Download snes9x-rr from https://www.dropbox.com/s/hh34v0l6qb5b8kh/snes9x-rr-1.57.zip?dl=0. It works like snes9x 1.57, so you can use MSU-1 packs with it now! After unzipping the emulator: - Open Emotracker with a package that supports autotracking. Right click on the robot in the bottom right corner and set it to "Lua," then start the autotracking. (it'll come up yellow, that's ok) - In snes9x-rr, go to File > Lua Scripting > New Lua Script Window. Open the connector.lua script included in the Emotracker install directory (probably something like C:/Program Files (x86)/EmoTracker/Connectors/snes9x/connector.lua). - Run the script. If everything is working correctly, the console will output that the connection was established, and the robot will change to cyan. Leave the Lua console open in the background. - Then it should work. Hopefully. Please note that this is still experimental and in testing, so it is not guaranteed to be stable. since people probably want it

Otherwise, we would not specify the build you need in the documentation that you are not thoroughly reading.

ok, went and got v1.57. we'll see if it works now

snes9x-rr right?

i'll just start a fresh save

nope, still didn't work

22:51

got the lamp and it failed to track it

did you just download a different emulator and hoped it magically worked?

i am using v1.57 like it said

did you just load up the rom and thats it?

22:56

nothing else?

i opened emotracker, snes9x v1.57 and ALttP rom

are you incapable of following directions? or just very lazy?

Okay, stepping in here for a second. @Razernok, you’re either about to start following the directions you’ve been guided towards several times, or we’re going to be done. I’m ordinarily a pretty damn helpful person, but you’re not fulfilling your end of the bargain here.

i'm using v1.57 like he said

You need to read more carefully. There is a specific download that supports Lua. There are scripts to load. From what you’ve said, you definitely haven’t done any of this.

no option for lua

yes there is

23:21

read the instructions

i've checked every menu option

In snes9x-rr, go to File > Lua Scripting > New Lua Script Window.

nothing called lua scripting under file

then you probably dont have snes9x-rr

it said to get v1.57

23:22

which i did

well get snes9x-rr

Then you didn't use the version of snes9x-rr that was linked in the pinned message that Synack was nice enough to copy here for you.

23:23

There is literally a link to a download in that message.

23:23

Which apparently you did not read.

that's someone's dropbox. not safe

Oh, my sweet summer child.

i went to the official site

snes9x-rr is a branch of snes9x with lua support.

23:23

There is no official site.

23:24

Just adhoc distribution.

snes9x does have an official site

23:24

http://www.snes9x.com/

Snes9X.COM

Do you want to continue to argue with me about things I know more about than you, or would you like to have a working setup?

And their "official" site links to the GitHub releases page, no?

Your choice.

23:25

Actually, @WillardJBradley - do me a favor and post that emoji reaction you kindly deleted earlier.

yeetbig.net

No the other one

So it is written, and so it has been done.

...and necessarily blocked from DMs moments later.

23:31

Just to be totally clear with everybody here... Assuming I'm around and available, I will generally try my best to help people who are paying attention and genuinely trying. Maybe that's pointing you to resouces, answering questions, or maybe it's actually walking you through something. Some of you I've actually done troubleshooting over DM, provided test builds with potential bug fixes, etc. I gladly do all of that.

23:31

When somebody is argumentative, and is unwilling to follow directions when they are copy and pasted right in front of them, that's where my interest will dwindle FAST.

23:32

That's why this person was banned, in addition to the fact that they had pulled the same routine in the ALTTPR discord earlier today. (edited)

23:32

Now we can all carry on in our happy little support server, where people who are willing to be supported can be.

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I hate to break it to you Willard

23:34

But you've got one weird mutant arm

thats my hookpushing arm

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Hey emo whens autotracker for srl gonna be released

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05:13

Wow.... ~~Are you sure that person wasn't just trolling? I can't imagine someone can be that incompetent and not have the ability to follow simple instructions.~~ Actually, never mind. (edited)

Has it been considered to make a Pack for ARNF(A Robot Named Fight)? It's a reach but it couldn't hurt to ask.

i get the emotracker yesterday and with this discord it simple to see what you have to do but if other need help i believe you will need to put "tuto video" on it i think will be monre simple to just throw the vod when someone need help (cause we see this night some can't read sadly) ... btw emotracker is amesome

With the number of games with unique packs (most of which I don’t create), the number of emulator configurations people are currently using for autotracker (some officially supported, some not)... There is no tutorial video of reasonable length that will satisfy everybody. This discord remains the best solution for now, although I have been looking into options for a community driven wiki.

11:44

@Nerah The vast majority of the game packs available for EmoTracker are built and maintained by community members for those games that wanted it to exist. So the answer is, if you are so motivated, then it can exist. My LTTP pack plus #customization-support is the place to start.

@Alriightyman People that incompetent and willfully ignorant do exist. They come in many, many varieties. This one was apparently the kind that needs to be spoon-fed, but throws a fit if it's not Gerber brand applesauce.

11:48

11:49

I'm curious how they even decided acquiring their Legal Cartridge Backup was "safe".

Let’s not go further down that line. What happened, happened, and I stand by what I did in response to it.

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Thanks for the info @EmoSaru I'll take a crack at it and see what I can come up with!

yes you are right emosaru too many thing that need to count and it hard to show them in tuto vod well anyways it true discord it still the best one

#autotracker-support

I know green is "you can get it", yellow is "You can get it, but against logic", and orange is a location with one you can get and one you can't, but what's blue? (edited)

#faq

blue is you can see it but can't get it

hey is emo tracker legit?

15:28

@everybody is emo tracker a virus?

It's legit

I don't think we really should try to give an answer to someone who tried to reach for the @everyone ping, even if they missed it.

15:39

If you're scared of a foreign program, ask some communities that use it.

15:39

Like, say, the community that directed you here in the first place.

If it was a virus there wouldn't be a whole Discord server for it....

We could all be agents

16:35

You never know

16:36

I mean, someone has to be responsible for the chemtrails

16:36

Why not us

If emotracker was a virus it'd explain EmoSaru's lingering cough

Wow

17:26

That is genuinely the best response to that I've seen

hello! I've tryed to find some information on autotracking for the SNES classic, but so far only found someone on reddit that said it was beeing worked on 5 months ago. Is this still something that will be implemented or was their never a way to get it to work?

06:14

there*

hum not sure but in the pin message in autotracker-support they tell how to make it work with a snes mini maybe that can help you

ooh ok thank you very much

Can confirm that it will work. Been using it on my snes classic for months

@hustak theres a pinned post in #autotracker-support that has instructions on how to enable autotracking with snes classic. i use it myself

@Lechtansi @Darkened5ky thank you alot, works like a charm. Sorry to bother you when it already was pinned, im getting used to discord and didnt even know that pins even existed. ❤

it's all good

no worries, happy to help

Who’s solski

Solski is a person who makes points sometimes and then requires me to dunk on him.

that is very much solski

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Greetings! I am developing the map tracker for FF4FE and it is 99% complete. I'm testing with an easy seed right now. What do you guys think? I accept suggestions.

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when auto-tracker for ff4 tracker?

13:22

with the tracker in the should not be hard to get the ram hunt

I will do as soon as the map tracker is ready

Just because a tracker pack is made doesn’t mean that finding the proper memory addresses and determining a “safe” range is going to be easy.

Alternatively, you could just... track manually?

Of course you can, I'm doing this

Woot Finally done with my pack

Is there a guide for Hasmada that tells what the different colors of the squares mean? Specifically the orange yellow and blue ones.

This is universal to all EmoTracker packages and detailed in #faq

For Hamsda's pack specifically, blue also either means the item is visible or you can get a hint about that location from a gossip stone. (edited)

Blue can be generalized to "you can learn what item is here before you can obtain the item".

GG AWS

I tried to reinstall... Did not work...

It won't until I release an updated version.

Wait for update

Ok

Emo, would it help mitigate the issue in the future if you also trusted the Amazon root CA certificate? This way you will know when your certificate is expired but the app will still work until an update

Since the launch of autotracker, the app does more explicit certificate validation, which is what is causing this issue.

TY EmoSaru

Anybody who wouldn't mind retweeting this and letting people in your communities know, I deeply appreciate it. Thanks again, and sorry for the trouble!!! https://twitter.com/EmoSaru/status/1164588973831802880

THOTimus Prime (@EmoSaru)

ATTN: #EmoTracker users - an issue with our SSL certificate renewal caused many features to stop working. A fix has been released, but requires re-installing manually. Please re-download & install the tracker, and see Discord for info. RT for visibility!! https://t.co/yZFA...

Is the latest update issue the reason why when I try to select a package it just files them all under one other category

That should not be occurring with the latest version. Are you accessing the internet via a proxy server of any sort?

If anybody else is experiencing this behavior, please let me know.

It looks normal to me.

The latest update will exhibit this behavior if you are accessing the internet from behind a caching (or other) proxy server that is serving up an imposter SSL certificate. The consequences are:

1) Packs will all be sorted under "Other" 2) Autotracker will be unavailable

All other functionality should work normally. In future updates, I plan to isolate the issue to autotracker, but that was not feasible to do quickly enough during the outage. (edited)

fuck all of you

マジでそんなバカに

rude

また一度も来ないで

(edited)

02:18

I love the smell of fresh bans in the evening

remember when angry people put out actual effort

Lol

Ahhh the good ol days lol

Hey guys. With the alttpr in Emotracker. What exactly do Yellow and Orange squares mean? I know blue is "You can see the object but cant get it(like without boots)" green is good to go, and red you can't get. but what is the differences between yellow and orange?

you should find all details in #faq channel

@Mago Merlin i was perusing your map tracker and you only have 3 items labeled for Kokkol, The Smith's house. There is actually 4 items in his house. 2 in pots, one in a bookshelf, and the 4th is a chest to the right through a hidden hall. you have to go right when you use the stairs to go back down to get to it

How long has the package manager been down?

I don't think it's down. Works for me at least

Says Community Package Service is down

04:34

Found the problem, a file was corrupted, my bad

@TidusZecht thanks! I will update it as soon as possible. (edited)

EmoTracker has certainly been a help for me. ^.^

Someone just clarify for me, red is areas you dont have th eitems for right?

Colors and what they mean are all listed in #faq , but yes. That's correct

is LoZTP in emo tracker?

Twilight Princess has a rando?

11:13

Generally, packages are created for randomizers, and not the other way around.

it doesn't have an item rando

11:14

only a room one

There will not be a tracker for Twilight Princess until a randomizer of note exists.

11:15

I believe someone was creating a TP package for personal use in 100% completion of vanilla.

personally i'm surprised there isn't one for Metroid Prime 2 (edited)

I'd suggest searching for that person, to start.

11:15

They may show interest.

There is a TP item rando in development.

0:! Do you have a link to a blog or a discord in regards to that? I'd love to follow progress

TPR's Discord - https://discord.tpspeed.run/rando

Ty!

@Skyco There is a Metroid Prime 2 pack in development (edited)

Awesome

do all packs support autotracking?

No, only packs which have implemented it.

ok

Hey all, I am trying to get the LTTPR auto tracker working and I: A) Have a package that supports it and B) downloaded and ran the connector.lua but it returns "script returned but is still running registered functions" is there anything I can do to fix this?

that sounds normal

Lol, nevermind, I just had to launch the game while the scripts are running

Sorry

shouldn't need to download anything extra though

Yeah, the connector.lua should just be in your EmoTracker installation

Also, #autotracker-support (edited)

@Sal the Dragon thanks again for figuring out my space boots dilemma in Prime. Got through the rest of it over the weekend, had a blast! (edited)

04:40

Now im on the hunt for a good echoes tracker, if such a thing exists.

Nvm :)

is there a good echoes tracker?

05:41

i honestly could just use a vanilla map tracker for prime 2. just basically have the prima guide turned into a map would be neet

how long does it usually take to make a pack?

"a while"

Ah

That really depends on the amount you want to model and/or how much auxiliary work you have to do.

The Wind Waker pack took me about two months of working on it in spare time. But like Hamsda said, it can vary

Yeah like initial pack was a good bit, but I can't even estimate how much time in total I've spent on it lol

autotracking adds another one or two weeks (based on my experience with one of the GB zeldas)

Can't judge that rooShrug

How long it takes depends heavily on your background. One thing that is true is that, as a general rule, building functional map trackers takes a good bit longer than item only trackers.

I built the base of the minish cap map tracker in about 1.5 weeks, but it was also something that I spent a lot of time on in that time period. And then there’s been a lot of stuff added on since then that’s taken a while

I built my LADX tracker in about 2 months, but I'm not very experienced and wasn't able to work on it as much as I wanted to

k i'm just waiting for a map tracker pack for Echoes to be completed.

Well randovania itself includes a sort of tracker that tells you what rooms and items you can and can't get, but there's no map attached with it

Well. I personally prefer one like the prime 1 pack on Emo tracker (edited)

Personally, I prefer the air

bruh. XD

im gladf im still in here. just opened it to see things were borked but got it fixed. AND NOW LADX HAS A PROPER TRACKER!

Windfish.io is a good tracker, don't discount it

Just as a reminder, please don't discuss other trackers here. Point people to the game discord.

tfw your tracker isn't a proper tracker.

13:34

But yeah, it's hard for me to recommend either of my trackers at this point.

How far is the prime 2 pack from being done?

Have you started building it yet?

Partially my fault for this question being asked I have a friend of mine who told me he was working on it, but I don't think a lot of work has been done If I were you, I'd start on one yourself Skyco (edited)

Oof

11:49

I have no knowledge on how. XD

Lol then be patient and wait for it to get done

Yeah, keep in mind that it's a hobby for all of us. So it all depends on if one of us has the free time spend on making a pack.

13:02

Or you can learn how to do it yourself of course.

True

Are there any docs/resources available on how to get started on developing a pack?

Look at Emo's ALTTP pack and tinker around with it to see how things work. You can also look at other packs and see how they did different things. Also the pinned messages in #customization-support will be a great help.

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13:16

For example, I used Emo's pack, the SMALTTP rando pack, and one of the OoT packs for my first references

Does your LttPR tracker include heart piece/container tracking @deserteagle417?

It does not, but the items are defined as heartpiece and heartcontainer, so you could add them to the tracker if you wanted.

Is this where I go to track how many times I've listened to A Fever You Can't Sweat Out? kelpThink

Is there any plans on releasing auto tracker support for ocarina of time?

I believe there's currently someone experimenting with N64 autotracking

22:43

so it's a matter of time at this point

22:43

..and whether the OoTR community will accept autotracking

I'm waiting for the official release of OOTR crowd control before I finalize N64 autotracker support for pack devs

23:32

As that's the current driving force behind the tech I use

Hello, is it possible to check the list of game packs without installing EmoTracker, through an API or something?

Technically yes, although not in a way that's guaranteed to provide a stable format, and it requires a bunch of dependent calls to other web services so it would be a bit of work to implement. I'd like to know why you want to know though. (edited)

I'm maintaining a list of randomizers here: https://www.debigare.com/randomizers/

The BIG List of Video Game Randomizers

Exhaustive list of all known video game randomizers.

19:07

During the last week, I was made aware of 2 randomizers that were on EmoTracker but not on my list.

19:08

I was hoping to find a way to monitor what's being added to EmoTracker to be in sync.

I see. Well, ultimately, package availability is determined by individually maintained package repositories associated with each published pack creator. Some repositories host more than one package, across multiple games. The best I could provide is a list of repositories, and even then, I would make zero guarantees about the long-term stability of the endpoint address, returned data format, etc. You'd have to get and process the repository entries yourself. (edited)

Ahh, that's unfortunate. I didn't expect this level of complexity.

19:36

Guess I'll have to do it ye olde fashioned way then.

19:37

Thanks for the answer!

19:39

Supporting a stable endpoint for 3rd-party purposes probably doesn't make much sense in the grand scheme of things indeed.

19:44

On an unrelated note, I did not realize until very recently that EmoTracker was a much more complex tool than just showing progress icons to a stream audience. I'll give it a shout-out at the bottom of my list on my next update.

Thanks - I appreciate it!

Ultimately, the way package distribution works for EmoTracker is to avoid unbounded scaling on my backend, while also giving approved pack developers the ability to maintain control of their releases without me having to 1) be involved very much and 2) without me having to implement a fairly complex service for managing pack versions, etc. So yeah, it defers a bit of complexity to the client, but effectively allows the service to run relatively affordably as the entire versioning scheme is entirely amenable to running statically hosted behind a CDN. (edited)

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Any thought on a mobile form of emotracker?

emo has previously stated that non-windows versions of emotracker are not going to happen, due to how emotracker is coded

There's an answer something like that in the #faq I think

^

Hey, I was just wondering if I was the only one having issues using hamsda OoT map tracker since updating it. It won't show me any dungeons or shops even though I have shop shuffle turned on. If I go into the settings and turn on show all locations, it only shows MQ dungeons and says I don't have the required items even though I do.

#pack-support Already been reported

Thanks, I wasn't sure if this was the right spot. Thanks for the info!

just dropping by to say that the new package manager window is sexy af ^^

No u

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Is there a pack/layout that allows me to put the item list on the same row alongside the map?

17:39

The way I have my screen layout makes the maps tiny, and I could fix that if I could put it as a horizontal grid.

You can always do it yourself - #customization-support

Not sure where to ask this, so I'll ask it here: Is there a way for me to make my own tracker?

There is yes. The easiest way to learn is just downloading a pack, extracting it from its archive and seeing what makes it tick. The packs are stored in Documents\EmoTracker\Packs. Emo's own ALTTPR pack is probably the best example to learn from.

Yep, that's exactly what I did too! The JSON schemas in the pinned messages of #customization-support are extremely helpful as well. That channel is also where you can ask any questions about building your pack :D

Not sure where to ask these -- For the ALttPR packs, is there a way to mark which item is at the end of the maze race? And is there a way with autotracking to manually mark a location as "unimportant" other than pinning? (As I've been doing it, I'll mark it as "collected" but after a save/quit it resets to available)

Right click the square on the map to quick clear it. Auto-tracker will respect that.

14:16

In my pack, there is no way to mark the maze race item, because it's always considered accessible.

14:16

If it's important, grab it.

Interesting.. My experience with autotracker was that it respected the clear until a save/quit, then it saw it wasn't checked yet. I'll play around with that some more. As for Maze Race, I've had to miss out on it a couple times due to bombs/rupees-for-bombs, or more importantly, due to entrance randomizer. Also, thanks for the tracker and all the hard work that went into it!!

Entrance randomizer will have it's own pack in the futur, Emo have been working on it for a while now already.

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Yea, the tracker is always going to assume you have bombs (likewise, the game's logic doesn't consider bombs when placing items). However it makes sense to want to pin an item there for entrance rando. You could suggest to the creator of the ER pack (I forget who it is) that change, and you can also make an override to the appropriate .json file (probably called items.json) to change it to one.

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I'll have to look into overrides. Thanks for the suggestion!

Is there a way to easily view the version of a tracker package? The Package Updater nor the Title Bar seem to indicate a version number. Since updating a package tends to make it incompatible with existing Saves for that package, being able to know what version of a package someone is using can be useful from a Support's perspective since they could identify issues that were fixed in later updates and tell a person asking for help what they've likely missed in their playthrough (point out incongruencies between what their version of the package says and what the latest version of the package says). When I say Support, I mean support in the various Randomizer/game discord servers, not necessarily here on the Emotracker discord. (edited)

Not currently in the app, but it’s a good suggestion. I’ll look into adding something in the next version.

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Is it possible to share the current tracker state between multiple clients over the network, possibly by abusing the lua autotracker functionalty and make clients "autotrack" each other?

I believe proper support for networked tracking is planned in the future.

Planned for the future, doesn't currently exist.

so i played and beat my first compleate random of MZM my only goal is that i have to collect all of the suit peices my clear total was 75 % and time was 2:40 is this a horrid time ?????

01:16

hard difficulty

that would be something to ask in the appropriate game's discord server

my bad i thought it was a basic hub here

sorry

Is it not possible to prevent the Auto Tracker from undoing a manual change to a location (create a exception for a Location)? I like using the Auto Tracker but it won't let me mark off visible items that I don't want to collect... because when I say I've gotten the item, the Auto Tracker will resynchronize the location and unmark it as collected. Items on torches, ledges, islands, bookshelves and items that have had their location revealed via Hints... you can't tell the Auto Tracker to ignore any of them and let you manually set their state. (edited)

It should respect location.Owner.ModifiedByUser...

it's possible for locations but not items

07:30

the rest is up to the autotracker implementation

Right click the square on the map to clear things. Autotracker respects that.

10:13

This has also been asked before, numerous times, in #autotracker-support, which is a great channel to search when you have questions about autotracker.

Suggest for Shopsanity in OoT, Being able to type in costs without going into 'Edit Markdown'

Edit markdown is the standard note taking control. It’s what’s available to the pack devs, and I have no current plans to radically change it.

True and sorry Emosaru, I had that channel muted and totally forgot about it. (edited)

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You ok Raptor?

Do you think they're ok though

hey i havent done a lttp rando in a while. i was getting ready to play and opened up emotracker. what are the 2 new icons on the right side of the items in EmoSaru's tracker?

Crystals required for gt/kill Gannon, I think

yeahh i just read all the new stuff on the site

08:07

thank you though!

I think there is a general usability problem in a lot of packs, with options and settings being a single icon with no explanatory text whatsoever. Maybe the new button_popup could help by providing a quick reference/how-to/"tutorial" only one click away.

08:09

The prime example being the Z1R Tracker, which seems to be as powerful as it is frightening at first glance.

And yeah I can see that, it has a pretty unique interface compared to well, every other pack.

08:13

I've thought of including documentation but haven't got around to it.

I mean, Ham's OoTR pack has a really detailed Readme that covers what all the options do.

no one reads the readme usedFeels

And how would they? With the current user flow (open emotracker package manager, download pack, select pack) nobody is going to see one if they don't explicitly search for it. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people don't even know a readme exists.

i mean ye, same for changelog tbh

08:38

not sure if something built into ET based on markdown would be possible/user friendly

08:39

or maybe just a field for us pack authors to provide a link to an external readme/changelog

no one reads the tooltips

@Hamsda re: the markdown thing, stay tuned.

FYI, I’m looking at a few options for this type of stuff.

10:25

Markdown text in layouts is coming, but I’m considering more options for pack documentation.

something like a popup that reads a certain markdown file for a changelog or readme would be amazing

10:29

i think a few of us have those anyways and if users can access them in the client, that would be sick

That’s one option I’m considering. I’m also considering just having a standard pack manifest field that is a url for a webpage to direct people to in their browser. Markdown is nice, but is always likely to be framed in a more limited way in the tracker than what you can opt to do on a webpage (which could just be eg a github markdown page) (edited)

Heck, I'd love to be able have to some text with formatting in a layout.

yeah thats what i meant with the external one

10:35

works just as well tbh

10:35

just a certain button that users know to press to get directed to a readme/changelog

10:35

and not having to google/search discord for one

Supporting properly formatted text in layouts is definitely coming (there's some very early code in place now), but I'm still debating exactly how much formatting control is necessary in order for it to be useful. Things can get far more complicated depending on what is allowed.

im using the OOT randomizer checklist but i cant remember how to see where the page is that shows you what means what for the settings anyone know where to go for that?

never mind i found it

Hey guys. I'm using the tracker for SMZ3R that is telling me I have full access to dark world after getting flippers,mirror, and pearl. But no hammer or titan mitt. How do I get to the mainland dark world without them? No Aga defeat either.

Hookshot.

22:42

This is... a very commonly asked question. The SMZ3 discord can give you more information.

hey, so i was playing a MM randomizer today and i have a screenshot showing my tracker and what i have but it shows 2 things that are green that i shouldn't be able to get the screenshot https://i.imgur.com/GkSki3d.png if i'm wrong with my assumptions (the text on the image) i would be delighted to be enlightened as to how to do those checks

That’s more of a question for the MM rando discord

can you use hot spring water?

Question concerning the Pack that is made by EmoSaur. Since its been a while done LTTPR what is with the newish Icons

top one is how many crystal it takes to open gannons tower, the lower is how many crystals it takes to fight gannon him self (when he becomes vulnerable to attack)

What am I supposed to do?

have you tried following the instructions given by the screen?

Where is the arrow?

top right, the blueish cloud icon with the arrow inside

Oh okay, thanks

10:53

I don't see well with my little screen

Are there any news on the entrance tracker?

No. IRL stuff has been crazy this year.

Hey @EmoSaru ty again for making an amazing tracker.

Happy to do it

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Stupid question (Yes I checked the FAQ). How do people set up the tracker for a regular ALttP Rando? Game capture the emulator, window capture the tracker? Sorry for being a bother.

Window capture works fine. You can also use NDI to capture the tracker's broadcast view, which is a view specifically set up for capturing on stream. Press F2 to open (as described in #faq).

....i'm a moron....i'll go now

??

13:08

I wasn't trying to call you out - just mentioning that that keyboard shortcut was listed there, and explaining what it was referring to. (edited)

...more stupid. What is NDI?

NDI is an IP video standard. The main benefit is allowing you to capture the tracker broadcast view with a naturally transparent background (no color key).

13:17

It requires an OBS plugin to use, and you can read more about it here.

13:18

https://emotracker.net/blog/2018/09/13/emotracker_2_1_release_notes/

EmoTracker v2.1 Release Notes

Anyone here know how I'm supposed to format the "Players" setting in Bonta's multiworld LttP Randomizer?

It's a comma separated list of names, but please ask questions like that in the ALTTPR discord.

so, can someone help me get multiworld to work through emotracker? i can get it to work the normal way through SNES9x, but not through emotracker to autotrack

I’m assuming you’re talking about lttpr Multiworld. There are directions for setting up autotracking pinned in #autotracker-support. Once that’s working, multiworld is fairly straightforward.

What is it with all the randomizers prioritizing racing over casual play?

because most people active in the community are speedrunners?

Probably because the casual players are chased away by the elitists.

Casual play generally has many, many variety settings you can play with; racing is usually more standardized, and thus easier to build off of.

I don't think casual players are "chased away", I just think they don't stay active

13:09

Since casual players tend to spend less time with the same game, compared to speedrunners

I also don't think casual players of randos really have a reason to stick around and chat in the discords and whatnot. They probably just use the web client to generate seeds and that's the extent of their interaction

13:12

Just my guess anyway

13:14

Like, I would call myself a casual OoT rando player but I never talked in that server unless there's an issue with the game or something

I'm basically just a casual who also enjoys races, even though I consistently finish in the bottom 3 or so, lol.

I know I was chased away from the SMLttP Randomizer by the elitists on their server.

Can confirm that the casual players are in fact actively chased away by the elitists.

14:18

Not for the reasons he'll tell you, though. This kid didn't want to learn extremely basic, very simple techs that were expected to play the base game.

14:18

This conversation shouldn't even be happening here, though.

@AliceSteel Dessyreqt, myself and ChristosOwen were all alttp speedrunners before we made alttpr

15:48

That's why

15:48

Similar is true for most randomizers

15:48

Most of the authors are speedrunners of the vanilla games

Is there an actual thread to look how to do your own tracker?

20:33

the current tracker is a bit primitive, want to add map and stuff like that (edited)

Current tracker for... ...what, exactly?

metroid zm

20:39

(for rando)

Ultimately, what we have for documentation on creating packages amounts to #customization-support, pins in that channel, and existing packages, particularly the Official LTTPR package

I've started working on making an excel OoTR tracker, it's gonna take a while to figure out the logic

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K, unless it’s an EmoTracker pack, this isn’t the place to discuss it.

Sorry

FF4FE has documented its hooks for automated tracking and I would like to try to work on an auto-tracker in the EmoTracker framework

The thing I can't immediately find is 'how do I make a package have the 'Autotracking' button.

is there going to be a autotracker for OoT in the future?

... or how to actually work on a pack that's not downloadable yet, aheh

@Deleted User not for my pack very likely as much as I'd like the programming part of it, the racing community does not want auto tracking, and that still is my main focus

ok.

@Mecha if you take a look at emos lttp package, you should see what is needed from the packs side. i think the main part people miss is the platform part of the repo (or was it manifest). though i think there also needs to be stuff done on emos side? not quite sure since no autotracker for my pack as I just explained.

Yeah, I'm trying to create a pack and it's trying to load legacy data locations for reasons that are unclear to me, for example, and I don't see anything that lets me mark the manifest or layout as using the autotracker

if its loading legacy locations then you are not specifying them correctly in the lua to load im fairly certain

yeah

09:57

by giving a variant of any sort, i got it past trying to load legacy layouts

10:03

ahhh okay

10:04

having resolved all of the load issues, it picks up that you can autotrack

So I guess the next question would be, how do you get a pack officially recognized: my first draft of ff4fe using the autotracking capabilities is functional

@EmoSaru will handle that via DM iirc

Ordinarily yes, but FYI I leave for GDQ tomorrow and have errands all day. I won’t be doing anything pack-wise until after GDQ.

10:56

I find it slightly unlikely that you have a functional autotracking pack given that an hour ago you weren’t sure how to test a package.

I'm kinda good at smashing through stuff

11:32

But obviously I don't want you to rush through before GDQ

11:34

So yeah, after GDQ I'll circle back around w/you.

11:34

(I did just finish testing it against a seed)

Please move this type of stuff into #customization-support

Okay. I wasn't sure if that was strictly user support, or development support.

12:02

Thank you.

Just did my first stream using the autotracker. Thank you so much everyone who has worked to make this a thing. It worked wonderfully!

yo just dropping by

hi

10:35

can anyone tell me where do i download the wind waker randomiser tracker^

In the Package Manager, you select the tracker packs you want to install.

its down but nm i got it

10:48

thx anyway

It’s not down. You likely haven’t done the manual re-download and re-install from the website that was necessitated a few months ago.

hey so I am unaware of where I would ask this question, but I've been using the tracker for a year and have yet to understand what each of the pin colours mean. I'm fully aware green means that everything is fully accessable, but passed that I have no clue

16:46

If someone responds to this question please ping me within the message, so I get a notification

#faq

16:47

@Rachel and Kole's Cutie

thank you

hello everyone, I'm curious how to make my emotracker look like Andy's... can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm super new

Andy uses the pughud pack for LTTPR (and most other games) (edited)

ok, I'll look for that, thank you

You can download it in the package manager in the app

I see it!

17:26

again, thanks

Hey, so I was told a pokemon crystal key item randomizer tracker was being developed. I have done a lot of work testing the randomizer and am a bit more familiar with the logic since the dev notes are not quite up to date. Who can I talk to help with it? I'm doing a showcase race on Feb 1 and it would be nice if we could get a tracker working to display the items/locations. It would also be helpful to potentially get more people to try out the crystal key item rando. (edited)

@Snowbear We have no clue unless the pack creator lets us know

I think it is in development still? I think I was told that Storm was working on it and Duke was helping with it? I was guided here by Amber Cyprian. At least I think they developed the red/blue one. (edited)

I'm not sure myself A lot of the packs are developed quietly and independently and the developers only pop in here for questions/answers If it's @StormRider you're looking for, we can ping him to see if he's available (edited)

I tried to pm but i think he doesn't accept dms rom me as I am a stranger lol. Wasn't sure if I should ping since I am still a stranger.

09:46

Figured I'd ask here first. Thanks

No prob

@Snowbear We did the RB tracker, we talked about Crystal but didn't actually get around to starting anything for it at GDQ.

@StormRider may I ask for help to work on it? I think it should be fairly similar to the red/blue one and I know the logic of the key item rando intimately.

Yeah, if you want me to help build it, that should be manageable

13:46

That's basically what we did at GDQ

13:47

I never touched that rando before andyLUL

13:47

They just told me the logic and I built it

Cool.

is there a way to undo? i just closed something on accident that isn't cleared yet

ctrl + z

duh, i should have thought of that, thank you

@StormRider can I pm you details?

Sure.

I am unable to pm you atm it seems because of your private settings. @StormRider (edited)

Hello I am new to this server but I have been using Emotracker a lot for Rando

Hello there

It exists any tracker for zelda oot 5.0?

You could use an old version of Ham's pack, but I'd really recommend you update to 5.1 - there's a reason no one uses 5.0 anymore, it was faulty.

Ah ok, there I find 5.1?

ootrandomizer.com

I not find it

How can you not find the Randomizer on the Randomizer website...?

07:43

Click the big Play Now button (edited)

I not find any trackers

...

07:44

You're currently in the server that has the tracker. Go to #faq

1) You need to download and install Emotracker from the Emotracker website. 2) See the #faq channel for how to use it.

quick question, i'm doing a zootr for the first time, what/where is "gc portal grotto" in the lost woods? i googled it but couldn't find it

This would be a question for the zootr discord

oh, my b

Hey all, quick question. Is there any way to run emotracker in portable mode, like off a USB key? I want to be able to use it on my laptop when travelling but my desktop at home.

What's preventing you from just installing it on both systems?

Mostly that the laptop is my work machine, so I don't want to permanently have it there - just when travelling.

12:02

That's what I'll do if the answer is "no" to portable mode, but I thought I'd ask.

There is not currently a relocatable download/install for EmoTracker, although copying the install directory around should world. Installed packs and settings always go in your documents folder, however.

@EmoSaru thanks! I was more referring to the settings location, especially for saves. However, I can just sync those with OneDrive, so that's easy enough to work around.

awesome program, btw. This is going to make learning randos much much easier.

12:32

also, autotracking works better when you fully read and use bsnes core instead of snes9x.

Quick Question about the chests...

03:47

When it says there are 2 chests in Tower of Hera for example, does that just mean there is 1 item chest, 1 Big Chest, and any other chests don't matter because they're technically just the compass, map and Big Key?

it means there's 2 non-dungeon items

okay I kind of figured... for tracking purposes I can basically just not mark off a chest if it has one of those 3

the boss drop is also counted as a chest and there's also a small key

so Tower of Hera just means Boss drop and Big Chest?

03:49

technically

03:49

there rest would normally be dungeon items

not really, the boss can drop a small key and the big chest can have a map

okay. so just item wise, there will be 2 things that are not any key, map, or compass.

you don't mark it off if it's a small key, big key, map or compass

perfect, thank you! Came back to Randos after a few years. Played ALttP and SM dozens upon dozens of times but still can't remeber all the item locations in ALttP...

next question... Magic Bat without Hammer?

04:01

wait

04:02

nvm

those questions are better to ask in the alttpr discord

Fair... One more though, in the tracker, some chests have a dotted outline?

i think that's in the pinned locations thingy, if it's a freestanding item, you can mark what the item is if you can't get it yet

Oh, for the visible but not accessible ones

Also, what is the GO for on the tracker?

That's for when you have the neccessary items to beat the game.

07:40

You toggle it when you are in Go Mode.

So its a for fun thing?

for viewer thing, or a leftover from the past no one bothered to remove

both

With regards to communities that support some of the modules, with the crystal key item randomizer being up and released, would it be prudent to add the main discord for pokemon crystal randomizers to the list in faq?

22:04

In the server we have a channel dedicated to key item randomizer.

I add links to Discords when people give me links to the Discords.

@MuffinJets Awesome work on the Metroid: Zero Mission tracker, that game is worse than Super Metroid when it comes to Soft Locks so having a general idea of what locations you should be exploring at any given time will be a huge help in learning the places to avoid.

Will there ever be a Mobile version of Emotracker?

#faq

@EmoSaru This is the Pokémon cinco bingo discord that has the key item rando: https://discord.gg/nT56DbT

Hi, I was wondering if there was some way to set "show all locations" by default

No, but it's a single key press.

You can also hold shift

anyone here frequently play MM rando?

11:29

I would like some suggestions and feedback

I played one over the weekend

Not the place for this. I recommend asking in the MM Rando discord: https://discord.gg/8qbreUM

suggestions and feedback on my mm rando tracker you potato

Lol then you should have mentioned that in the first place

@Pink Switch which one is yours?

01:06

i don't see any made by a dingus (edited)

It’s not actually in here it’s in the mm discord

so its not part of emotracker?

01:19

if not, then it absolutely doesn't belong in this discord (edited)

01:20

also makes your response to JR even more head scratching

actually had to go to the MM Rando discord to see what the hell you're talking about.

01:35

You should definitely be more specific in the future, and not call someone names due to your own incompetence.

Apologies. I thought you were asking for general help for the randomizer.

03:00

You're working on fixing up Rikku's tracker, right? It'd be nice to have an official update to it. :)

chrono trigger rando

@ToastedDonut

with emo tracker is there a way to hide the map and only have it as an item tracker?

20:57

i should mention im using it for Castlevania Symphony of the Night

why are we pinging ToastedDonut in three channels

You can try unchecking Layout -> Enable map

21:04

But it might just be better if you crop a window capture if you're using it for streaming

21:07

Maybe if you customized it, you can remove the map from the structure itself

..are we forgetting that Broadcast View exists

Yes

idk what broadcastview is...

21:37

im kinda new to this

Press F2

21:37

It's for streamers

21:37

You can capture that window

the capture window is small and doesnt show the icon layout

21:41

also how does voice control work?

I don't know for sure, but I think it's in #faq

"small and doesn't show the icon layout"

21:50

...you mean it's empty?

yes

thaaaat's on @Gilgatex then; can confirm on my end that the SotN package has an empty Broadcast View

what does a broadcast view do

we're assuming you want it as "just the item tracker" so that you can use it for streaming purposes

21:53

the Broadcast View provides a capturable window that never changes name, so your stream software will never lose track of it

i can also just have it as a window capture and just manually click what ive gotten

21:54

i havent run into any issues yet

Broadcast View also provides a transparent background if you use the NDI plugin for your streaming software

21:54

so you don't have to do any chroma keying

good to know

it's all around a convenience feature for streamers (and, say, youtubers that don't play live)

@Natalie I'll see if I can get that updated tomorrow.

@Gilgatex thank you for creating this tracker btw it’s a huge help

22:39

@Natalie thanks for all the advice I really appreciate it

also is there anyway for icons to automatically activate once you pick them up in game?

If the pack for the game supports autotracking, yes. The tracker packs that have autotracking have a little blue robot next to them in the package manager (edited)

is there anyway to incorporate lua files into emo tracker?

You might be able to through the customization

because there are auto trackers for SOTN and i was wondering how i could incorporate them into emotrackers design because it is beautifully made

that's on the pack developers, but I do not currently support PSX autotracking

Hello everyone

I have a question. Is there a metroid zero Mission item tracker? Couldn't find one online but maybe someone knows it better

Yeah, look in the package manager for EmoTracker

10:27

There's one with just the items, and I also made one with map tracking

10:28

@strongeyeballs

Oh my God thank you very much wolouH

It's a good designed tracker but sometime when I check that I collected the power grip, the hole tracker crashed

@EmoSaru could you explain how auto tracking does work im assuming its reading the game files as its running to capture data

For the platforms it currently supports, EmoTracker uses a live connection to an emulator or flash cart to directly monitor the contents of RAM, which is why it doesn’t require saving the game to update the tracker and/or e.g. special emulator-only rom patching to work effectively

Im wondering would it ever be possible to integrate this into something like RetroArch

11:22

with emulators that support multiple different emulations

It works with bizhawk, and qusb2snes provides an emulator layer that occasionally works for snes on Retroarch when they haven’t broken it again.

11:30

I’m not sure what you’re trying to figure out, really.

im just thinking for convenience because i us RA as my go to emulator how to incorporate those options

11:58

i also know that RA would like to incorp things for speed running into their emu as long as they have a developer who can help with it

11:58

but than again im no dev lol

I don't own or work on any emulators, and I have no interest in doing so.

If the emulator has decent LUA Script support it should work with EmoTracker's auto tracking afaik (edited)

LUA is complicated - A lot of engines support only specific versions of the standard, and then might also not include all basic libraries/capabilities. This, in addition to the fact that the emulator has to expose all the necessary emulator-specific functions (which are probably all differently named from emulator to emulator) means that you will have to rewrite the connection layer for every emulator.

03:58

In addition, ET talks remotely with the emulator, so the emulator can use any language it wants to communicate with ET as long as it fulfills the communication protocol - it's not limited to LUA on the connector side.

Okay, thank you for the detailed information.

I had something weird happen last night where right-clicking on item icons wasn't doing anything. I could right-click the icons in the status bar at the bottom, but items weren't working correctly. I tried to replicate it tonight, but couldn't.

Hello!

12:57

I'm creating a SM64Rando tracker.

12:57

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562065119396495402/677618020532879401/unknown.png?width=1100&height=1351

12:58

(wip)

oh neat

Oh this is good

nitpick: you have inconsistent object heights in groups

13:12

solution: ¯\(ツ)\/¯

Hey, if they're vertically centered, then they're just different sizes

13:30

My aesthetic preferences though (edited)

This is a work in progress, so I appreciate the feedback

Nice! I agree with Natalie's nitpick and I think MuffinJets has a good solution, but that might continue to cause inconsistent space between the paintings. Are the paintings objects in each row as well? Maybe you can make those bigger? Another option could be to just fix the sprite size for all of the stars in each level (don't have to resize images individually in this case)

16:00

This looks really nice though!

Greetings! What do you think of a Dark Souls Item Randomizer Tracker?

It looks nice, and I'm sorry I haven't responded to your DM yet. Meanwhile, you're on an old version of EmoTracker that had a certificate issue, and you'll need to manually update from the website.

Oh it's ok. This shotscreen is old haha

Hi I just wanted to say thank you for thinking of colorblind people and making it publicly known how to tweak the program to make it easier for us to see snarfLove

Where is the best place to ask for help with developing packs?

Only a good banner is missing

The Dark Souls of banner-making. :kappa:

...does anyone know how to report an account as ad bot to discord?

@EmoSaru we have two spam bots that might need some attention

I mean, surely no one is falling for it... right?

obvs but it should still be cleaned up and they banned if that's still necessary

I tried contacting Discord staff about spam bots in the past, it took 2 days to get a response from them >.>"

04:24

(by which time that discord server's moderators had already dealt with it) (edited)

@SakuraTsubasa Spam bots: https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/386961931988369421/678543519110922299 https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/386961931988369421/678560566297624577

so oddly enough

05:07

I dont have permissions to delete this

05:07

@EmoSaru ^

05:13

Ah turns out I needed to have 2factor enabled derpchick

05:14

ignore me Emo sakuLove

Did saku fix it?

09:44

I don’t see anything

yeah looks it

Yeah I fixed it

I have been finishing up my OoTR tracker. Figured that I would post this here if anyone has feedback!

I just want to say thank you to @Dorkmaster Flek for the changes in the latest version of the SMZ3 tracker. They make ALL the difference for my scattershot brain

3

Glad you're finding it helpful!

Hi! I just blew off an hour trying to make EmoTracker run on Linux Mint 19.3, both in 64 and 32 bits prefixes, and I give up for now. I managed to install dotnet 4.7.2, but the error I couldn't get past was wine not finding mscoree.dll when trying to run emotracker. Here's my wine setup file if someone wants to poke at the problem or laught at how dumb or ignorant I am about wine and linux :D https://pastebin.com/5U6SPMUV Good luck! (edited)

Do we have a forever invite link for this server? The ones that the widget on the website give out are temporary. For a bit, Emo wanted initial traffic to come here. Has that changed to initial traffic to the site now?

Either way is fine, although the website is a reliable endpoint.

19:19

This invite never expires: https://discord.gg/aPHDBZk

Thanks!

Hi guys! Brand new user or EmoTracker here, little question, is it possible to get the background transparent for the broadcast viewer?

you can either chroma key it or use the NDI plugin to get built in transparency

chroma key destroy some icon (on OOT)

The NDI method is strongly recommended.

^

Tutorial available somewhere? @Hamsda @StormRider

1. Download and install plugin https://github.com/Palakis/obs-ndi/releases 2. Start EmoTracker, open broadcast view 3. Start OBS 4. Add NDI Source, pick EmoTracker

What´s the advantage of NDI Source? (edited)

It handles native transparency, for one.